Welcome and the origins of Griffith University

Rob: G'day, welcome to the National Virtual Expo. I'm your host for this session, Rob Malicki. I'm coming to you today from Garigal land in Sydney and pay my respects to the traditional custodians of this magnificent land on which I live and work. Super pumped to be joined by Jaime from Griffith University. Jaime, welcome to the National Virtual Expo.

Guest: Thanks, Rob. So excited to be here. Thanks so much for having us and allowing us to share everything that Griffith has to offer.

Rob: Griffith has got just a heck of a lot to offer. My first visit to Griffith was the Nathan campus. God, it must be like 20 years ago, and I spend most of my time down in Sydney. I remember driving through these rolling forests of trees and thinking to myself, where's the uni in amongst all this? And then you come in and it's just nestled in the forest, and you're only like 15 to 20 minutes from the city centre. It's incredible.

Guest: Yeah, you're so right. It's so close to the CBD. And when you drive into the bottom of the car park, there's just this national park in the forest. And koalas in the trees. They've just started doing some koala tours on a Sunday.

Rob: I read a story about that just recently. And one of my colleagues, Heidi Piper, who I've known for 20 years from Griffith, will every now and then post on her LinkedIn about what she saw that day. That was my first discovery of Griffith in Brisbane at Nathan. But then I was fortunate enough to discover Gold Coast, Logan, and Southbank. We've got a heck of a lot to cover in the next 45 minutes or so. Maybe I'd like to hone in on the background of Griffith University, because it's given the institution a particular flavour, which might help people understand if it's the right place for them. So do you want to tell us a little bit about where Griffith came from?

Guest: Yeah, definitely. 1975 is when the Nathan, or Brisbane South, campus opened. And it really came from that need to have a university close to Brisbane city that offered a range of different degrees for a range of students. What Griffith really prides itself on is being that values-based, supportive university that is there to open the doors to people who might not otherwise have opportunities to study at university level. We've just had our 50th birthday. There have been a lot of strong graduates coming out of Griffith. Kate Miller-Heidke performed at the celebration last year. It's an institution that has built itself on those early foundations and made such a name for itself as a supportive, values-based institution.

Rob: One of the things that jumped out at me when I was doing some research was that Griffith, right out of the gate, was one of the first institutions to have a dedicated school of Asian Studies and also a dedicated school focused on the Australian environment. Back in the 70s, those are two topics that not very many people would have thought would be as important as they are today. I think that's quite extraordinary.

Guest: Even now, that whole idea of sustainability has woven its way through all of our degrees. The MBA program, from next year, has been redesigned with that sustainability mindset all the way through the courses. It's something that Griffith prides itself on very strongly. We've got the eco centre operating down at the bottom of the car park, with those koala tours as well. Very close to our heart, and something we will continue to do, hopefully forever.

Griffith's campuses: Nathan, Gold Coast, Southbank, Logan, and online

Rob: Let's dive into the different campuses, because this is one of those things where the first time I went to Griffith I thought, oh, this is Griffith. And then I went to the Gold Coast and thought, oh, this is Griffith too. It's such a diverse institution across its different campuses. One of the questions I get a lot on the YouTube channel is which campus should I go to? So why don't we go through the different campuses, who they might be for, and how people might decide between them? I'll leave it to you to pick the order.

Guest: No worries. I think we'll start at the Nathan campus, also known as the Brisbane South campus, which is based where I am today. It's the original campus. Which campus you'll study at really depends on where you live and also what you want to study, because the campuses specialise in different areas. The Brisbane South campus has a wide range of degrees including business, education, engineering, law, nursing, as well as aviation. That's handy if you live in Brisbane itself or in the outlying suburbs, especially on the south side. Then there's the Gold Coast campus, located in Southport. It's actually our biggest campus now. It has world-class health facilities with a focus on medicine, dentistry, occupational therapy, physio, and health sciences. It's beautifully linked to the University Hospital on the Gold Coast, and transport is all connected really well with the tram system. Nathan is also easy to get to. We've got the new metro buses operating in Brisbane now, so they can get you to the campus from the city and then you just take a connecting bus.

Guest: Then we've got the Southbank campus, which is a very vibrant campus. It's home to the film school and the creative arts school, and is closely linked with the Queensland Conservatorium, which is in conjunction with QPAC, the Queensland Performing Arts Centre. That's really the creative hub for Griffith. The Southbank campus is going to form what we're calling the new City campus. We're looking forward to the opening of our brand new city campus from 2027 in the old Treasury Casino building, which has a lot of historical value. This heritage-listed building is going to focus on business, IT, and law, and will build fresh industry partnerships and connections. And then we've got the Logan campus. It's a smaller campus in Meadowbrook, focused mainly on nursing, midwifery, and education degrees. If you're living in the Logan area and interested in those fields and looking for somewhere close to home and nice and quiet to study, that's definitely worth considering.

Guest: When we're talking about campuses, we also shouldn't forget our online delivery. There's so much support and so much character around our online offering. We've created what we call our Griffith Go programs, which are online on-demand. They allow students to work at their own pace no matter where they live in Australia. As the years go on, we're adding more and more degrees to that delivery. The advantage is not only is it online on-demand, but you can also have the flexibility to either speed up your study or slow it down if you've got other commitments. So no matter where you live in south-east Queensland, there is a campus for you at Griffith, and hopefully there's an option for you no matter where you are in Australia.

Rob: Awesome. Very diverse campuses. I'd love to throw my two cents in on the different campuses in just a second. But firstly, if you want links to all of this, down below in the session description you'll find links to information about the different campuses. And if you're joining us live on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, or YouTube, you can ask us a question and we'll try to get to that by the end. If you're watching on the replay, we also have the Choosing Your Uni Discord and a Facebook group just for parents. Details are down in the description. Jump in there. Every single question, whether deeply specific or really general about going to uni, will get an answer. So please feel very comfortable to participate.

Rob: Online first, Jaime. Are those Griffith Go degrees purely online, or do some have an in-person component?

Guest: The Griffith Go programs, the online on-demand ones, are 100% online. You'll get recorded lectures and the modules are all available to complete in your own time. There is an online aspect to some of our other degrees that aren't part of the Griffith Go delivery. So if you're looking at a degree that shows it's available online, depending on the subject or course you're studying at any given time, you may need to join at a certain time or there might be an on-campus component attached as well. It might not be 100% online all the time. Whereas Griffith Go is 100% online, and it's only started from last year, so more and more degrees will be added to that on-demand offering as we go along.

Rob's take on which campus suits which type of student

Rob: Let me dive into my thoughts on some of these campuses and which one might suit particular types of students. Firstly, Southbank. If you are creative, regardless of where you are in Australia, Griffith is an institution you should seriously look at. That Southbank precinct, to go and study film or music in those creative spaces in the heart of Brisbane, is one of my favourite student precincts in all of Australia. Brisbane is pumping and this is just an amazing program. Southbank is for those creative people in the city centre, and I can't wait to see the new City campus when it opens.

Rob: Nathan. If you want to be in Brisbane but a little bit outside, and you want that classic campus experience on a discreet university campus, across a broad range of fields like law, business, and engineering, Nathan is it. If you're the kind of person who wants to be amongst the trees, I just love the vibe at Nathan. Being amongst the greenery is so good for your mental health. It really does not feel like you're ten minutes away from the city. At lunchtime, to be able to walk through the forest and hear the sounds of nature, I don't know where else you can get that so close to a university city.

Guest: Yeah, it's very rare.

Rob: Logan. I visited there for a second time last year. What I love about the story of Logan is how Griffith just said, we need a footprint down in this part of Brisbane. It's growing fast. There's a demand for education. We need to teach nursing, social work, and education here. So it created that campus explicitly for that community. If you're in that part of the world and you want to work in that part of the world in those subject areas, it's absolutely perfect. And then Gold Coast, my favourite campus. It's buzzing. You've got that Gold Coast energy, the beautiful weather, amazing transport links, accessible beaches, and heaps of student accommodation. If you're interested in tourism, hospitality, business, or health, it's a no-brainer. If I were an international student looking at the Griffith campuses, Gold Coast to me is the go-to, just for that combination of uni plus lifestyle.

Guest: Yeah, it does offer that Gold Coast feeling and lifestyle. But then it also has extras like the athletics track, the swimming pool, and a beach volleyball court on campus. You do get that excitement visiting the Gold Coast campus. Not quite as quiet as Nathan, but definitely that thrill.

Elite sport, the Olympic Pathway partnership, and flexible study

Rob: Let's hone in on sport for a second. The last time I was on the Gold Coast campus I went up to level ten of the health sciences building, looked at these sports facilities, and I went, what the heck is that? What Griffith is doing in the elite sport space is really mind-blowing. Talk to me.

Guest: So Griffith is now the official, exclusive Australian university partnering with the AOC as the exclusive Australian Olympic Pathway University. It's a partnership formed with the IOC to support elite athletes competing in Olympic sports, and they're offering scholarships valued at up to $40,000. It's really creating a nice pathway into the LA Olympics in 2028, and then of course Brisbane 2032. We've got our Griffith Sports College on campus. Fun fact: if Griffith were a country at the previous Commonwealth Games, we would have come first or second, because so many Australian athletes were Griffith alumni or current students. Jess Fox is one of our current students.

Rob: Just wandering to class and it's Jess Fox. So nice. 82 Olympians including Emma McKeon and Cam McEvoy. Those are massive names in Australian Olympic sport and the facilities are absolutely phenomenal. What's really important about elite athletes and elite sport is the flexibility in your studies so you can train and compete without losing your place in a degree or having all the extra pressure around assignments. An institution like Griffith is really focused on your entire journey as a human being, not just pressuring you about your studies or your athletic performance. It's there to support you on your journey.

Guest: Absolutely. And touching on flexibility there as well, Griffith is a really flexible place to study. Whether that's having the option to start part-time with one or two courses at a time, a full-time student does four courses per trimester. We work in a trimester model, which means there are three teaching sessions a year. Most of your learning will be done in trimesters one and two, but trimester three is an optional time to study across summer. So if you want to speed things up and complete an extra subject or two, you can. Or if you're studying part-time, it allows you to pace yourself evenly across three trimesters in a year, so you could almost get a full-time study load done without cramming it into just two trimesters.

Studying across campuses and the feel of the institution

Rob: There's a question coming through from a student asking about the different campus feel. Does it still feel like one institution? And can you study across multiple campuses, for example, take a class at Southbank if you're based at Nathan?

Guest: 100%, there is no feeling that anyone is disconnected or different or separated from one another. It really has that atmosphere where Griffith is one, and that support flows right across all the campuses. There may be opportunities to study across different campuses, especially if there are electives within your degree only available at a certain campus. Generally, though, if you're studying nursing for example, you would commit to one home campus. But Griffith is one. We're just so fortunate that we've been able to spread our campuses throughout south-east Queensland to help students wherever they live.

Entry pathways beyond ATAR: VET, Empowered, and guaranteed admission

Rob: There was another question that came in advance from a registrant about pathways. They mentioned they're not sure they'll get the ATAR they need for their preferred course, and they're wondering if there are other options. I hear a lot about ATAR not being the only way into uni. Can you help?

Guest: Please don't worry about either not getting the ATAR you need or, in some cases, not being eligible for an ATAR at all. We have multiple ways to help you get into our programs. ATAR is, for many Year 12 students, the main way they'll come to Griffith. But completing a Certificate III, Certificate IV, or Diploma is also an excellent pathway option. For anyone not familiar with how the rankings work, an ATAR sits on a scale from 0 to 99.95. A Certificate III gives you a rank of 68, a Certificate IV gives you a rank of 74, and a Diploma gives you a rank of 87. We have what's called a guaranteed admission scheme where, depending on the VET qualifications you've done, they'll get you guaranteed admission into a long list of degrees.

Guest: If you don't have one of those and your ATAR isn't meeting the minimum for the degree you want, you can do what we call upgrading via university study, where you get into another degree that's relatable to what you want to study but has a lower entry rank. If a student studies a full year, eight courses, and achieves a passing GPA, that will convert to an ATAR equivalent of a minimum of 93. Those subjects might even provide some credit when you transition into the degree you really want. There are so many pathways we can help you through. When you're doing your QTAC preferences, always put what you most want right at the top, because you never really know what your ATAR will be, followed by your backup preferences that you might work towards for a year to help boost your rank. Please don't be scared or worried about ATAR, because we do have those pathway options.

Guest: We've also got a fairly new preparation course called Empowered. It's a free program made up of six individual subjects geared to build your confidence in assignment writing and learning strategies. At the end of it, depending on your overall grade, you could end up with an ATAR-equivalent rank between 75 and 86. Even if you just pass, it also gets you direct entry into a long list of degrees via an internal application. We've also got our Director Veteran Pathway, and our Gumurrii support team who help guide and support Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander students with pathways as well.

Rob: Tell me a little bit more about that indigenous student support.

Guest: Gumurrii is our support service for indigenous students coming into Griffith. If you need that extra support, or you might not be meeting certain requirements for certain degrees, our Gumurrii support service can help guide, nurture, and give you that advice to get you into a clear pathway into those degrees. It's just another support option that Griffith prides itself on in helping to nurture those pathways for our indigenous students.

Rob: What I'm hearing from you, and what I know from the statistics, is that if you come from a background that doesn't have an extensive connection to higher education, if you're a first-in-family student, from a regional or remote area, First Nations, or from a lower socioeconomic background, Griffith is an institution that really represents you. And that goes all the way back to the DNA of why the institution was set up. That should really speak to you. And just before I move on, on the topic of ATAR: people think of it as a fence or a barrier standing in their way. It's not a fence, it's a gate. Maybe that gate swings open for you the first time. Maybe you need to go around the side a little bit, through another degree as a pathway. That's smart. And let's be honest, Jaime, uni isn't cheap. If you go to TAFE first, get hands-on experience, knock off some subjects, get entry via a diploma giving you an ATAR equivalent of 87, and walk in possibly into second year with some credit, you've saved a ton of money. That is smart and low-risk.

Guest: Exactly. We've got a really strong relationship with TAFE, especially TAFE Queensland. What we can offer those students coming in with a TAFE diploma is a direct application to us, nice and simple. And then credit can be looked at depending on what you've studied and what you want to study at Griffith. One that comes to mind is nursing. You might go along to TAFE and do a Diploma of Nursing, which enables you to be an enrolled nurse. You can then apply for the two-year Bachelor of Nursing with advanced standing, which takes a year off your degree. And you can be working as an enrolled nurse, getting some money casually or part-time while you're studying to become a registered nurse. It's a nice transition, upskilling and coming to university with a qualification that's gotten you some part-time work along the way. There is no one fixed path.

Social life, study abroad, work-integrated learning, and career readiness

Rob: Just to dive into that, because after five years in higher education I can tell you hand on heart that is absolutely true. There is no such thing as a typical path to uni. Let's talk about social life and extracurricular opportunities at Griffith, including study abroad and exchange opportunities. Tell me more about that kind of stuff outside the classroom that people need to know about.

Guest: It's great that these opportunities are available, and they're now spread right through all of our degrees in the form of work-integrated learning with industry partners. That's part of what makes the move into the CBD and the new City campus so exciting, because we'll be so close to those city industry partnerships and connections. There's Go Global, which enables students to study a subject abroad at one of our partner institutions. There's work experience. There are so many opportunities where you're not just leaving university book-smart, but leaving with skills you've put into practice, networks you've built, and a clear pathway to what comes next after graduation. Just coming back to what you said about the Southbank campus, there's so much collaboration happening there between different cohorts. A film student might be looking for a music student to collaborate with, or an art student might need to work with the film school. The networks you build just go beyond the classroom setting.

Rob: Career readiness is certainly something I've picked up on having been to the campus a number of times. I've sat in on sessions on the career readiness programmes Griffith is offering and I was well impressed. A lot of universities talk about employability, but Griffith walks the talk. That's it.

Guest: You're right. We've got an academic careers and employment team as well that, towards the end of your degree, can help navigate that next step, whether that's writing a job application or connecting students with opportunities. You want to be the student who seeks out that next step and seeks out those networking opportunities, and comes out of your degree with not just a degree, but the idea that you know where you're going and you know you'll be supported to get there. I think that's what really sets us apart.

Scholarships: how to apply and what is available

Rob: Let's talk about scholarships for a moment. Folks, if you're watching this, go and look at what scholarships are available at whichever university you're considering. You would be stunned by how many scholarships and prizes don't get allocated at some institutions because people aren't applying for them. Let's talk about what options are available at Griffith.

Guest: This is a conversation we have every day with prospective and current students: please apply for scholarships. The word "scholarship" sometimes makes people think it's only for high achievers or that it's inaccessible. But that's actually rubbish. We've got so many scholarships available for so many different reasons that we've had to simplify it with one form. Instead of applying for individual scholarships, you fill in one form, and then the scholarships team works out what you might be eligible for. This is money that goes directly to you to do what you want with, whether that's food, accommodation, or petrol.

Guest: To list some off the top of my head: we've got the Broader Futures scholarship, which supports undergraduate students who demonstrate excellence in spite of adversity, educational disadvantage, financial hardship, educational disruption, or disabilities. We've got the Vice-Chancellor's Academic Achievement Scholarship, the Chancellor's Scholarship, and the Griffith Sports Excellence Scholarship. So many people don't realise what's out there and discount it straight away. There are so many scholarships that go untouched every year when in fact that's money sitting there. Just simply fill in that one form and then our scholarship team will do the hard work. And if you do get a scholarship, you can reapply every year while you're a student at Griffith. Your situation might change from year to year. The advice is: please just fill in that form, because you never know what you might be eligible for.

The Academy of Excellence for high-achieving students

Rob: While we're on the subject of scholarships, you mentioned the Vice-Chancellor's Academic Excellence Scholarship. I want to touch on something related to that, which is the Academy of Excellence. That's for students with really high academic performance, correct?

Guest: That's correct. The Academy of Excellence is for high-performing students. Its aim is to increase your employability, expand your graduate opportunities, and give you a global perspective. Academy of Excellence students are encouraged to study, volunteer, or work overseas for a few weeks as well, which is really exciting. It's about being distinctive and giving yourself the best opportunity to succeed. We can share a link to more information about that in the session description.

Rob: If you are an academically high-performing student, you must look at this wherever you are. Honestly, and this is not coming from anything other than my 25 years of experience in the industry, that programme is one of the standouts in all of Australia in terms of reaching out to high-achieving students and opening up doors you didn't even know existed. Please look into the Academy of Excellence. I benchmark it as one of the best in that space.

Guest: 100%. It's definitely one to look at.

Clubs, societies, orientation, and making friends at university

Rob: Let's talk about clubs and societies and general student life. Do you want to give us a run-through of what opportunities are available?

Guest: There are so many clubs and societies, it's hard to list them all. But there are clubs for pretty much anything at Griffith. If something isn't available, you can actually create your own club. There are different clubs on different campuses: chocolate appreciation clubs, music clubs, sports clubs, a Quidditch club. There's a badminton club, baseball club, a temporary Australian indigenous art collective, a cultural society, a disability advocacy and empowerment society, a dodgeball club. This is where you can really get the fun side of university and create those lifelong friendships.

Rob: I'm glad you mentioned friendships. Earlier in the expo, one of the very first sessions was called "What's uni all about anyway?" and it turned into a great conversation about the number-one fear people have, which is whether they'll make friends at university. If you're concerned about making friends at uni, check that session out. But I know Griffith also has a strong orientation process. Tell me about that.

Guest: We've got orientation week, which happens across all our programs. But in the last couple of years we've also found that desire to help students feel ready and connected before they even arrive, especially if you're leaving school for the first time or you're first-in-family. So we've got an event each year, towards the end of December, called Get Set. We invite everyone who has received an early offer. They get to meet students who'll be in their classes for the following year, have information sessions, and meet their teachers. It's an orientation before orientation, designed for Year 12 students with early offers. They walk away from the day with their enrolment done and their student card early, so they can break up for the summer break knowing it's all sorted for the following year, even before orientation week.

Early offers, ATAR fears, and finding your passion at university

Guest: Which brings me to the Year 12 early offer scheme. So many of our degrees participate in early offer guarantee. Once a QTAC application goes in, if a student has applied for an eligible degree, they can potentially get an offer from their very last day of school, even before ATAR results. It's really important, if you want to ease that fear around ATAR, that you apply nice and early when QTAC opens in August and September. You could get an early offer pretty much on your last day of school and be set for the following year. If you're unsure whether to accept that offer, you can conditionally accept it, move your preferences around, and wait for your ATAR to be released and be considered in later offer rounds in January.

Rob: I think the early offer scheme is an awesome option. Some people say early offers just mean students slack off during their final exams. But honestly, if that works for you, and you've got your parents behind you saying keep studying, do it. The beautiful thing about uni is that this is your time to make the calls for yourself. If you can go through the early offer scheme and make things easier on yourself, I don't think that's slacking off. I think that's smart.

Guest: Yeah, 100% smart. You've got your place. Our advice is always to try to do your best because you want to leave school knowing you've done everything you can. But you're right, it's smart because you've got your offer in the back pocket and the stress is gone. And something else on the fear of ATAR: what we find, and it's probably common to a lot of universities, is that while you may not get the ATAR you need at school, you'll often find that when you come to uni and study something you love, something that's your passion, you'll do so much better at university than you might have at school. If you love what you're studying, the results show you're inclined to do so much better.

Rob: I'm so glad you raised that. I've got a great session on the last day of the expo with Peter, who did a Bachelor of Science because he needed to get into dentistry but didn't have the ATAR. He became an enrolled nurse and worked casually while studying. Now he's a dentist and he's happy as a dog with two tails. He had all these diverse experiences that, if he'd gone straight into dentistry, he wouldn't have had. If you want to get into medicine and you don't get the ATAR, start with biomedical science, or go in and do a nursing degree where you're already doing anatomy and similar subjects, and then transition across. There is no one fixed path.

Griffith's global rankings and standout study areas

Rob: We're getting close to time, and I just want to call out a couple of statistics. Griffith University is an absolutely world-class institution. On the QS World University Rankings it sits at around 268. On the Times Higher Education rankings it's in the 250 to 300 range. That's in the very top tier of Australian institutions. But the one that stands out to me is the Times Higher Education Impact Rankings, where Griffith is fourth in the world. And that's when we're talking about things like climate, health, and inequality. That's an absolutely extraordinary number. It's an organisation that cares about the world and cares about people. If that speaks to you, being fourth in the world on the Times Higher Education Impact Rankings should automatically put Griffith high on your list.

Rob: And some fields of study at Griffith that I love: hospitality and hotel management is outstanding, criminology and social justice is exceptional, health sciences is phenomenal, and nursing and midwifery is ranked around second in Australia. If you're interested in business and you want to work in the Asia Pacific at some point, Griffith is literally the place. It's been doing that longer than anyone else. And just to go beyond undergraduate programs: the Griffith MBA has been number one globally for six consecutive years, particularly in sustainability and responsible leadership. If you're looking to have a pathway into postgrad programs after your undergrad, you are setting yourself up really well at a globally highly ranked university.

Open days, campus tours, and how to take the next step

Rob: I think we've had a pretty good wander through a lot of what Griffith has to offer. Before we wrap up, is there anything else you'd like to add? Obviously super excited about the new City campus opening. What should we touch on before we wrap up?

Guest: I think it's important to get a feel for the universities yourself. If you're not quite sure which campus you want to study at, we've got lots of ways to engage with us. You can book a free campus tour and be paired up with a current student ambassador who's studying in the course you're interested in. Our Creative Arts open day at Southbank is coming up on the 17th of May, and it's a great opportunity, with a pop-up display showing more information about the City campus as well. Then we've got open days at Nathan and Gold Coast on the 9th of August. With the number of campuses we have and the differences between them, visiting in person is a really nice way to find your fit and work out which campus is right for you.

Rob: And I know there are links in the descriptions down below, so jump down there now. Don't wait around. While we're wrapping up, register for those open days, put them straight in your calendar, and you've got another thing ticked off your to-do list.

Guest: Exactly. No time like the present. The other thing we offer is free 30-minute Q&A calls or video calls. We can chat about applying, the campuses, pathways, or anything you need in that 30 minutes. We're here to help support you through the application process and just make sure everything is in order so you can put together the best application plan.

Rob: Jaime, it's been awesome to do this deep dive with you. Griffith is a university that punches above its weight, not only for students in south-east Queensland but from all across Australia. There are definitely students who just belong at Griffith. Thank you for taking the time to take us through so much about this incredible institution. You're lucky to work there.

Guest: It's my pleasure. I'm extremely lucky and I value every minute I work for Griffith. If you're looking for that values-based, supportive university that is so diverse with its campuses, Griffith is definitely the place to study.

Rob: Lots more sessions, of course, as part of the National Virtual Expo. This content is not only streaming live but also on demand over the next couple of weeks. Check out the session catalogue down below. There are 85 sessions covering not only every university but all the peripheral stuff, including pathways, accommodation, and moving. Jump down there and check out a couple more sessions. It's been great having you as part of this session. Jaime Williams from Griffith University, thanks for joining me at the National Virtual Expo.

Guest: Thanks, Rob.